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by Mangus MacLeod
September 25th, 2022, 5:37 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

It is basically just monogamy with a verbal baggage clause “Baggage clause”? Look Hyloglyph, thanks, but you’re going to have to do a little better job of explaining it than that, and I know you can. If we’re going to have to “negotiate legal hurdles, church hurdles, and doctrinal hurdles,” we bett...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 24th, 2022, 6:45 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Do you think the city of Zion was held together by sex or because the people were of one heart and one mind? I can absolutely guarantee that without any sex there would have never been "one heart and one mind." Guaranteed. I think there is at least one other option but I have to figure ou...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 24th, 2022, 8:15 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

So, instead of having sex, you think the people in the City of Enoch were just "being righteous" instead. Okay. Fair enough. And, in response to both Mamabear’s question and Atticus’ comment, regardless of what “the Church says,” apparently Christ has already provided the answer: For the s...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 24th, 2022, 7:45 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Okay, so much for the idea of self-evident truths. I guess we’re just going to have to let it play out for a while longer so things — truth — can become more self-evident. Has “righteousness” ever been the glue that held society together? Sure, the city of Enoch was so righteous that it was taken up...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 24th, 2022, 7:32 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

And Mamabear, thanks. Fair enough. This is just a discussion. And you have been brave enough to chime in and make some pretty pointed comments, so I thought you wanted to be part of the discussion. But instead, apparently you just want people to see your comments, but ignore them, and pretend they a...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 24th, 2022, 7:13 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Jonesy, thanks for chiming in, but I’m just going to say it: Mormon self-righteousness is the glue that holds marriages, families and society together? Is that why Mormons now have about the same birth rates and divorce rates as the rest of the world, but higher pornography use and anti-depressant u...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 24th, 2022, 3:54 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

So, perhaps that is the answer, and the solution to the dilemma and challenges of the male sex drive — and perhaps what God expects? — if/when a man’s wife is and/or becomes frigid, as I have suggested before, at that point a man should have himself castrated for everyone’s sake, and from that point...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 23rd, 2022, 8:07 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

I figured you would have the answers. But unfortunately, I still only have questions.
by Mangus MacLeod
September 23rd, 2022, 5:20 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Wow, I don't know if it's actually loco, but this thread has been going crazy, and my mailbox has completely blown-up, especially the last couple days. There is no question that the discussion is definitely starting to hit some serious nerves. Because obviously some people are still really uncomfort...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 23rd, 2022, 7:16 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Most people have no real interest in actually understanding , especially if that means having their paradigms challenged. They just want to be stroked. They want to have their personal paradigms validated. I’m sorry that I’m not providing the stroking that you and others are looking for. But, please...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 23rd, 2022, 6:57 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

It’s like spitting in the wind. Do you understand that?
by Mangus MacLeod
September 23rd, 2022, 6:42 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

It’s so easy to identify and talk about all the problems. But what are the solutions? Like I’ve said before, there are a lot of big “Why” questions in this whole equation. Why did God design and create men and women the way He did? Thinking about this whole dilemma I have sometimes wondered why God ...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 22nd, 2022, 9:53 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Obviously, at this point we need a referee, so I'm going to step into the fray, and offer something else to chew on. Ever since I started this thread I've been getting more PMs than ever, mostly thanking me and/or wanting to talk about this subject matter, etc. With authorization, I am going to shar...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 22nd, 2022, 12:43 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

I really like where this discussion is going, because it is now starting to pit all the “sinfulness” against each other, and before you know it you won’t even be able to get out of bed in the morning without sinning in some way. The Catholics consider masturbation to be aa “mortal sin,” which means ...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 22nd, 2022, 9:24 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Please cite your sources. Chapter and verse. How is “sex” defined? Is “necking” a form of sex? Is talking about sex a form of sex? Is it sinful for a prospective couple to discuss sex before they are married? But once you’re married, it’s all fair game? No due diligence of any kind prior to the wedd...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 22nd, 2022, 9:10 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Please clarify: Exactly what is it that you are claiming to be “sinful”? Is it sinful for a woman to orgasm? Please define exactly what you are claiming to be sinful and why you are making such assertions.

And, again, please answer this simple question: Are you married?
by Mangus MacLeod
September 22nd, 2022, 8:47 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Fair enough. I will be very direct: What prospective spouses discuss is none of our business. It is none of your business. What I said before was that if “I” were in that situation that is what I would do. Frankly, in that situation I think God might think that any man who wouldn’t have that discuss...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 22nd, 2022, 8:04 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Oh I haven't dodged any hard questions Mangus. And your condescending tone towards me is really quite juvenile for an old retired judge such as yourself. I apologize, Atticus, if you feel like I have abused you. But your defensiveness is quite revealing. It is true that at this point in my life I h...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 22nd, 2022, 6:29 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

And the unexpected turn that you left out is that Sarah is actually Mangus’ wife. Damm!t, we’ve been outed! I’ve been afraid this would happen. But I just want everyone to know that at this point Sarah is a fantastic, satisfying wife. She is such a blessing. But having both a retired lawyer and a w...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 22nd, 2022, 6:02 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Here are a few earlier statements by apostles regarding masturbation: 18 June,1870 – First Counselor George A. Smith tells Salt Lake School of Prophets about “the evil of masturbation” among Utah Mormons. Apostle Lorenzo Snow says that “plural marriage would tend to diminish the evil of self pollut...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 21st, 2022, 10:07 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

This is great, and just exactly what I might expect. As has been abundantly stated, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but can someone, anyone, quote something from the Savior or any prophet from Adam to the present, stating that a woman who pleasures herself, before or after marriage, is uncha...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 21st, 2022, 2:32 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

So, it sounds like we can all mostly agree that we’re talking here about the Drunkards of Ephraim. Obviously, the production-related discussion did not gain much traction, and I guess I’m not surprised. Contrary to Sarah’s protests to the contrary, in my experience and observation almost everyone w...
by Mangus MacLeod
September 21st, 2022, 11:47 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 544
Views: 8793

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

So, it sounds like we can all mostly agree that we’re talking here about the Drunkards of Ephraim. Obviously, the production-related discussion did not gain much traction, and I guess I’m not surprised. Contrary to Sarah’s protests to the contrary, in my experience and observation almost everyone w...