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by Atticus
September 26th, 2022, 9:36 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Another report of the church abusing the abused.
Replies: 63
Views: 1264

Re: Another report of the church abusing the abused.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: September 26th, 2022, 9:35 pm SMH…
There it is again ;)
by Atticus
September 26th, 2022, 9:29 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Another report of the church abusing the abused.
Replies: 63
Views: 1264

Re: Another report of the church abusing the abused.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: September 26th, 2022, 9:25 pm I’m sure that was very profound, whatever you said.
Just calling a spade a spade.

But I do find it interesting that you always feel the need to virtue signal that you are ignoring me.
by Atticus
September 26th, 2022, 9:17 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Another report of the church abusing the abused.
Replies: 63
Views: 1264

Re: Another report of the church abusing the abused.

Lots of words but no detail; or certainly not enough for us to make anything of this story. I am confused by your thought process. Maybe she's lying. But what if she isn't? What if she can produce the letter? Do you just ignore anyone who says something you don't like or can't understand? I know yo...
by Atticus
September 26th, 2022, 6:29 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Another report of the church abusing the abused.
Replies: 63
Views: 1264

Re: Another report of the church abusing the abused.

No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing. Persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble. Calumny may defame. But the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobody, and independent.....JS YOU EITHER HAVE DIVINE PROVIDENCE, OR YOU DON'T. WE ARE EITHER "TRUER" THAN TH...
by Atticus
September 26th, 2022, 6:10 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Another report of the church abusing the abused.
Replies: 63
Views: 1264

Re: Another report of the church abusing the abused.

Someone remind me again, who was the defense attorney that represented Christ when he went before Pilate? The truth needs no special defense. It can stand on its own. If a LDS man is guilty of a heinous act such as SA, I don't care if it's RMN. Let him go to trial publicly and suffer his just fate....
by Atticus
September 25th, 2022, 3:59 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Another report of the church abusing the abused.
Replies: 63
Views: 1264

Re: Another report of the church abusing the abused.

She is apparently claiming a third party, in this case a church representative, communicated information to her. However, she has produced no evidence to support the details of the communication she claims occured. Therefore, it is hearsay at this stage. This is from her FB post. Snippets of the le...
by Atticus
September 25th, 2022, 2:36 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Where are my concubines?
Replies: 186
Views: 3552

Re: Where are my concubines?

If God promises me children, and then I go fornicate with a prostitute, and she bears a child, was this the promise? Still just making things up I see. The Bible refers to Hagar as Abraham's wife and concubine. Nowhere is there even the slightest indication that she was a prostitute. I don't feel i...
by Atticus
September 25th, 2022, 2:01 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Another report of the church abusing the abused.
Replies: 63
Views: 1264

Re: Another report of the church abusing the abused.

It’s unfortunate she didn’t save all the evidence from her childhood molestations. The fingerprints, bodily fluids, tapes, rape kits, etc. Something that a lot of other children do to catch their perpetrators. Haven’t you heard? No one is expecting this from her. However, where's the letter she all...
by Atticus
September 25th, 2022, 1:21 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Where are my concubines?
Replies: 186
Views: 3552

Re: Where are my concubines?

If God promises me children, and then I go fornicate with a prostitute, and she bears a child, was this the promise? Still just making things up I see. The Bible refers to Hagar as Abraham's wife and concubine. Nowhere is there even the slightest indication that she was a prostitute. I don't feel i...
by Atticus
September 25th, 2022, 7:27 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Where are my concubines?
Replies: 186
Views: 3552

Re: Where are my concubines?

The prohibition is on the spiritual side and it comes from the Lord categorically disavowing that practice in its entirety in Jacob 2. If there was a “categorical” spiritual prohibition in ancient Israel, then why was polygamy permitted, and in some cases, commanded, in the law of Moses? Oh come no...
by Atticus
September 25th, 2022, 7:22 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Where are my concubines?
Replies: 186
Views: 3552

Re: Where are my concubines?

Hagar is not referred to as a slave. She was referred to as a handmaid or bond-servant. Sarah gave her to Abraham as his legitimate wife. Nowhere in all of scripture are Abraham and Sarah chastised over what happened with Hagar. Instead both are praised for their faithfulness. Nothing is said about...
by Atticus
September 24th, 2022, 1:24 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Wow, I don't know if it's actually loco, but this thread has been going crazy, and my mailbox has completely blown-up, especially the last couple days. There is no question that the discussion is definitely starting to hit some serious nerves. Because obviously some people are still really uncomfor...
by Atticus
September 24th, 2022, 9:04 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: General Conference October 2022 - Rumors, Predictions, Live Thread, and Recap
Replies: 171
Views: 6913

Re: General Conference October 2022 - Rumors, Predictions, Live Thread, and Recap

Mamabear wrote: September 23rd, 2022, 6:40 pm Maybe they’ll finally admit temple rituals were derived from masonry.

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You have it backwards. Joseph Smith taught that Masonry is a corrupted form of the endowment.
by Atticus
September 24th, 2022, 8:56 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

So, instead of having sex, you think the people in the City of Enoch were just "being righteous" instead. Okay. Fair enough. And, in response to both Mamabear’s question and Atticus’ comment, regardless of what “the Church says,” apparently Christ has already provided the answer: For the ...
by Atticus
September 24th, 2022, 8:29 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

In regards to self evident truths, I think it's important to remember that the God who created us and gave us life has said: 8 ¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways,...
by Atticus
September 24th, 2022, 7:59 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

So, perhaps that is the answer, and the solution to the dilemma and challenges of the male sex drive — and perhaps what God expects? — if/when a man’s wife is and/or becomes frigid, as I have suggested before, at that point a man should have himself castrated for everyone’s sake, and from that poin...
by Atticus
September 24th, 2022, 1:10 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Wow, I don't know if it's actually loco, but this thread has been going crazy, and my mailbox has completely blown-up, especially the last couple days. There is no question that the discussion is definitely starting to hit some serious nerves. Because obviously some people are still really uncomfor...
by Atticus
September 23rd, 2022, 8:36 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

You might recall that while the Church was practicing polygamy women who were unhappy with this arrangement were granted a divorce and allowed to marry a husband of their choosing. If the wife simply refuses to have sex with her husband (for whatever reason) and would rather have sex with another m...
by Atticus
September 23rd, 2022, 8:06 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

No, I don't think this is true. As I stated, I think there are potential benefits for his first wife, too. Her disinterest in sex may not having anything to do with "fear," either. And there may be nothing he can do about his wife's lack of interest in sex. If his wife refuses to have sex...
by Atticus
September 23rd, 2022, 8:05 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

And Atticus, I’m glad to hear that you are married, and so sexually satisfied in your marriage. That is a good place to be, and I am happy for you. But, your dogma doesn’t hold water. The Church leadership’s positions on sex have changed consistently over the course of the past 100+ years, with lit...
by Atticus
September 23rd, 2022, 7:28 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Well at least we're back on topic now. I think this sad tale is unfortunately not uncommon and I can totally see where polygamy could help this situation. If the husband has other wives who are interested in sex, then this would satisfy his sex drive and bring him the fulfillment he yearns for. It ...
by Atticus
September 22nd, 2022, 11:35 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Obviously, at this point we need a referee, so I'm going to step into the fray, and offer something else to chew on. Ever since I started this thread I've been getting more PMs than ever, mostly thanking me and/or wanting to talk about this subject matter, etc. With authorization, I am going to sha...
by Atticus
September 22nd, 2022, 10:41 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Obviously, at this point we need a referee, so I'm going to step into the fray, and offer something else to chew on. Ever since I started this thread I've been getting more PMs than ever, mostly thanking me and/or wanting to talk about this subject matter, etc. With authorization, I am going to sha...
by Atticus
September 22nd, 2022, 9:20 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 587
Views: 9772

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Oh, I completely understand. You're clutching at straws. My argument doesn't rest on Kimball's every word. And I agree with his take on oral sex being an unnatural perversion. Yet somehow in the LDSFF twilight zone this means my argument completely fell apart. Crazy! Come back when you have an actu...