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by Luke
November 30th, 2022, 2:56 pm
Forum: Introduce yourself...
Topic: Hello, I was led to this site by the Holy Spirit
Replies: 117
Views: 3044

Re: Hello, I was led to this site by the Holy Spirit

Truman Madsen was wrong. I believe he was more accurate. Joseph fully expected the trees and foliage to be consumed. See highlight above in red, that's what we're talking about anyway. I have no interest in what Truman Madsen had to say. I've listened to enough of his speeches to know that he talks...
by Luke
November 30th, 2022, 12:18 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: The 14 Fundamentals in context
Replies: 24
Views: 858

Re: The 14 Fundamentals in context

Ezra Taft Benson once said that he was more afraid of the Gadiantons in the Church Office Building than any of the political Gadiantons. Hey, Luke, That’s ^ from another thread before, but I’m wondering if you know the quote. I’ve heard as much - actually sickening detail as to that & was surpr...
by Luke
November 29th, 2022, 3:56 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: The 14 Fundamentals in context
Replies: 24
Views: 858

Re: The 14 Fundamentals in context

endlessismyname wrote: February 9th, 2022, 8:16 am I’ve still never seen the actual evidence that SWK asked ETB to apologize, or that ETB ever did.

Not saying it doesn’t exist; just saying I’ve seen this claim a hundred times, but never with any evidence.
It’s been well-documented by people like D. Michael Quinn and Matt Harris.
by Luke
November 29th, 2022, 3:38 pm
Forum: Introduce yourself...
Topic: Hello, I was led to this site by the Holy Spirit
Replies: 117
Views: 3044

Re: Hello, I was led to this site by the Holy Spirit

I agree. Tired of hearing about heavenly mother. I'm a bit shocked you said that. You're "tired" of wanting to know more about our Mother who created you, who has been set aside as nothing from almost the beginning? People are wanting to know more about Her and you're "tired" of...
by Luke
November 29th, 2022, 3:35 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Lucifer's Sin: Touching God's Throne
Replies: 9
Views: 280

Re: Lucifer's Sin: Touching God's Throne

Really interesting thread here.
by Luke
November 28th, 2022, 8:58 pm
Forum: Alternative Health Solutions
Topic: Cancer Free
Replies: 9
Views: 315

Re: Cancer Free

I am cancer free. In 2017 I had colorectal cancer. I had surgery that removed the tumor but according to the "standard practice of care protocol" treatment flow chart I was supposed to have further surgery and chemo and radiation. I opted out of the rest of the treatment and went into a m...
by Luke
November 27th, 2022, 11:58 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother
Replies: 97
Views: 1701

Re: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother

Shawn Henry wrote: November 27th, 2022, 9:30 pm
innocentoldguy wrote: November 27th, 2022, 8:46 pm All spirits are either male or female. As both a spirit and an embodied person, you have a gender-specific divine nature and divine destiny.
Thanks for parroting the brethren. Show it in scripture and I'll respect your answer.
Mosiah Hancock’s vision is a good read
by Luke
November 27th, 2022, 11:56 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 75
Views: 2068

Re: this is getting pathetic

Maybe it’s more prophetic than anything? Moroni as an angel was a fabrication and temple ceremonies came about after the church was &#%!@? after being condemned. If that's your position, why are you here? I totally disagree with his perspective, but he has just as much right as you do to be her...
by Luke
November 27th, 2022, 3:13 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother
Replies: 97
Views: 1701

Re: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother

The heavenly mother concept is a step into too much literalism. God is ineffable - the word we use to convey the unknowable & eternal & Divine. "God the Father" is a description of His condition as ultimate creator of the universe & everything in it. If we forget the symbolism...
by Luke
November 27th, 2022, 6:01 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: And you expect me to get excited about soccer?
Replies: 18
Views: 473

Re: And you expect me to get excited about soccer?

You mean football
by Luke
November 27th, 2022, 1:53 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Once sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise; Eat, drink, and be merry
Replies: 15
Views: 663

Re: Once sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise; Eat, drink, and be merry

There is no similarity. Well, let me use plainer language. In one case, you can commit a few sins and still be saved after you are beaten with a few stripes. In the other case, you can commit a lot of sins and still be saved after being delivered over to Satan. Are you still going to say there is n...
by Luke
November 26th, 2022, 4:36 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother
Replies: 97
Views: 1701

Re: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother

Totally agree with this. Of course this is the case. You don’t address Her, but being one with the Father, She hears your prayers anyway.
by Luke
November 26th, 2022, 11:53 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Once sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise; Eat, drink, and be merry
Replies: 15
Views: 663

Re: Once sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise; Eat, drink, and be merry

The principle is obviously true. Which one? 132 where you marry virgins, get consent of the first wife, and don't marry other men's wives. Or the actual principle, where you marry divorced and already married women without the first wife's consent? Anyway, back to the thread. I agree that there are...
by Luke
November 26th, 2022, 1:11 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Once sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise; Eat, drink, and be merry
Replies: 15
Views: 663

Re: Once sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise; Eat, drink, and be merry

It doesn’t even remotely say what you tried to make it say. The principle is obviously true. Once God has sealed you, you’re sealed. But if you go about committing sin willingly in such a way, then there’s consequences. Generally, though, those who God seals are righteous men who don’t desire evil, ...
by Luke
November 25th, 2022, 2:04 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: World cup
Replies: 50
Views: 974

Re: World cup

Disappointing
by Luke
November 25th, 2022, 1:22 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: World cup
Replies: 50
Views: 974

Re: World cup

Watching it now.

England had better win. 😉
by Luke
November 25th, 2022, 8:10 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies
Replies: 28
Views: 1571

Re: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies

I would be very interested if anyone can find a document from Joseph's lifetime which indicates he was involved with the Masons. Tuesday 15 Officiated as grand Chaplin. at the Installation of the Nauvoo Lodge. of Free Masons, on At the Grove. near the Temple. Grand Master Jonas being present.— A La...
by Luke
November 25th, 2022, 8:03 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies
Replies: 28
Views: 1571

Re: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies

I am so glad you brought this statement to my attention! It is particularly interesting that it was issued by Lorenzo Snow AND Joseph F Smith. Joseph F Smith was 2nd Counselor to Brigham Young in 1895. Brigham took the 1st counselor, George Q Cannon, and set off for a San Francisco event at the Boh...
by Luke
November 25th, 2022, 5:45 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Special witness
Replies: 50
Views: 1853

Re: Special witness

I really dislike language like this. It’s so flowery yet vague and unmeaning. It feels extremely fake.
by Luke
November 24th, 2022, 4:55 pm
Forum: News
Topic: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith
Replies: 57
Views: 1777

Re: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith

If this were true, then all the Temples built in this dispensation were immediately desecrated by the presence of statues and portraits. Yep. Nah… else Jesus wouldn’t have appeared in some of them. But statues in temples is a fairly recent phenomenon. Not really. They had a lot of them in the early...
by Luke
November 24th, 2022, 4:37 pm
Forum: News
Topic: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith
Replies: 57
Views: 1777

Re: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith

I don’t think God has a problem with statues and portraits. Well according to God he does. If this were true, then all the Temples built in this dispensation were immediately desecrated by the presence of statues and portraits. Yep. Nah… else Jesus wouldn’t have appeared in some of them.
by Luke
November 24th, 2022, 11:49 am
Forum: News
Topic: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith
Replies: 57
Views: 1777

Re: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith

I don’t think God has a problem with statues and portraits. Well according to God he does. I used to think this. However, it simply doesn’t stand under logic. If this were true, then all the Temples built in this dispensation were immediately desecrated by the presence of statues and portraits. I j...
by Luke
November 24th, 2022, 4:59 am
Forum: News
Topic: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith
Replies: 57
Views: 1777

Re: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith

Nice. About time we started showing our peculiarities, given that we are supposed to be a peculiar people. I understand people’s concerns with the graven images thing, but I’m not too concerned. I don’t think God has a problem with statues and portraits. In the original Nauvoo Temple they filled it ...