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by innocentoldguy
December 2nd, 2022, 6:15 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: this is getting pathetic

If that's your position, why are you here? I totally disagree with his perspective, but he has just as much right as you do to be here and share his opinions. I'm not questioning his right to be here. I'm questioning his motivations and rewards. I have every right to go to an Islam website, for ins...
by innocentoldguy
December 2nd, 2022, 6:10 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Key indicator to avoid deception
Replies: 35
Views: 1232

Re: Key indicator to avoid deception

Well, if it doesn't mean enough to you to spend the time articulating/citing your point, then it really isn't worth my time listening to you. I clearly articulated that you were wrong. You just sling out there that there is no proof, but you won't even read what's not spoonfed to you even if it's p...
by innocentoldguy
December 2nd, 2022, 6:05 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic

I think the problem is that we do not practice what we preach. We profess belief in scriptures that rail against homosexuality and then we cowtow to popular opinion by being soft on the subject. Mike Don't we also profess to believe in the scriptures that say adultery, fornication, onanism, and oth...
by innocentoldguy
December 2nd, 2022, 5:58 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Key indicator to avoid deception
Replies: 35
Views: 1232

Re: Key indicator to avoid deception

Well, if it doesn't mean enough to you to spend the time articulating/citing your point, then it really isn't worth my time listening to you. I clearly articulated that you were wrong. You just sling out there that there is no proof, but you won't even read what's not spoonfed to you even if it's p...
by innocentoldguy
November 30th, 2022, 2:56 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: this is getting pathetic

My friend was just excommunicated for dating other men. You should reach out to him and let him know they were just joking. It is no longer apostasy. Are you sure he wasn't excommunicated for speaking against the 15? Because that is apostasy https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/news/policy-ch...
by innocentoldguy
November 30th, 2022, 2:51 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother
Replies: 111
Views: 2224

Re: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother

Genesis doesn't say that. It does, in Genesis 2, and it gets physically re-enacted in temple ceremonies all the time, by people ritually participating as if they themselves were Adam or Eve. God didn't make Eve in the roundabout way He did just for kicks. It definitely means something. Again, you'r...
by innocentoldguy
November 30th, 2022, 2:48 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: this is getting pathetic

:roll: How is the church teaching "gross immorality"? Simple. Homosexual romantic behavior is condoned. My friend was just excommunicated for dating other men. You should reach out to him and let him know they were just joking. I call bullcrap. No way he was exd for just dating in the US....
by innocentoldguy
November 30th, 2022, 2:47 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Key indicator to avoid deception
Replies: 35
Views: 1232

Re: Key indicator to avoid deception

No, be specific. Cite chapter and verse or quote exactly what you're referring to. I'm not going to waste time reading and trying to guess what you might be eluding to. To paraphrase RMN, it takes work. Lazy learners and lax disciples don't get very far. Maximum effort Well, if it doesn't mean enou...
by innocentoldguy
November 30th, 2022, 2:43 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother
Replies: 111
Views: 2224

Re: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother

But the scriptures DO say. They say to follow the Lord's prophets and the prophets have said that gender is eternal. Very ballsy of you resorting to the Proclamation on the Family, right when the Q15 came out in support of the Respect for Marriage Act which was designed to repeal the Defense of Mar...
by innocentoldguy
November 29th, 2022, 11:00 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: this is getting pathetic

:roll: How is the church teaching "gross immorality"? Simple. Homosexual romantic behavior is condoned. My friend was just excommunicated for dating other men. You should reach out to him and let him know they were just joking. It is no longer apostasy. Are you sure he wasn't excommunicat...
by innocentoldguy
November 29th, 2022, 10:53 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother
Replies: 111
Views: 2224

Re: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother

Nevertheless, I'd like to point out that you're ignoring the part that says, "Nevertheless, all things were before created; but spiritually were they created and made, according to my word," and leaping to how the Lord formed a physical body for Eve, and then claiming no women existed as ...
by innocentoldguy
November 29th, 2022, 10:49 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: this is getting pathetic

But you are. You're fulfilling your lust for pride, unrighteous judgement, and your desire to become an agent unto yourself. Feel free to read up on what the Lord thinks about those things in the scriptures if you doubt me. That's what you think; I believe being a part of a Church and a faith commu...
by innocentoldguy
November 29th, 2022, 10:47 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: this is getting pathetic

But you are. You're fulfilling your lust for pride, unrighteous judgement, and your desire to become an agent unto yourself. Feel free to read up on what the Lord thinks about those things in the scriptures if you doubt me. That's what you think; I believe being a part of a Church and a faith commu...
by innocentoldguy
November 29th, 2022, 10:43 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Key indicator to avoid deception
Replies: 35
Views: 1232

Re: Key indicator to avoid deception

Cite specifically what you think runs contrary to what I said. Hint, look for condemnation, rebuked, taken away, removed, transgress(ed), etc. There is evidence all over if you read the thing in various sections like 124, 82, 84, etc. and Joseph's preachings & writings etc. No, be specific. Cit...
by innocentoldguy
November 29th, 2022, 10:41 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: this is getting pathetic

Well, this is a church-related website talking about church-related things, so shouldn't the topics be, you know, about the church? If the point of the site is to rail against the church and its leaders, to mock and insult its members, and to generally be a collective of clowns and jerks, then let ...
by innocentoldguy
November 28th, 2022, 5:05 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: this is getting pathetic

... "The prophet is fallen and the church has been &#%!@?." ... rather than having to suffer their own destruction to come to this knowledge. If Joseph did as you (and others) say he did, he was a fallen prophet. https://i.ibb.co/D9xbMst/Drake-GAPii-JSTii.jpg The most correct book. jk...
by innocentoldguy
November 28th, 2022, 5:02 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother
Replies: 111
Views: 2224

Re: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother

But the scriptures DO say. They say to follow the Lord's prophets and the prophets have said that gender is eternal. It doesn't matter what you think or what I think on the subject. Genesis shows that Adam and Even had gender before coming to this earth. The Pearl of Great Price shows that Abraham ...
by innocentoldguy
November 28th, 2022, 4:55 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: this is getting pathetic

No, it was very much the fact I left. Saying that you can leave Christ's church to go worship Christ in a fulfilling manner is the biggest falsehood on the planet. Sure, you may be fulfilled for a time by satisfying your lusts and being a slave to your own conceit, but that won't last long. It neve...
by innocentoldguy
November 28th, 2022, 4:35 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Key indicator to avoid deception
Replies: 35
Views: 1232

Re: Key indicator to avoid deception

There is no evidence to suggest your position is true, so may I suggest reading this list a bit more closely and applying the patterns to your own studies? From my own personal experiences, I can tell you that you'll never grow spiritually via criticism and condemnation. It's like trying to build a...
by innocentoldguy
November 28th, 2022, 4:31 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother
Replies: 111
Views: 2224

Re: Why I don’t pray to a heavenly mother

Cite where the scriptures say we weren't male and female before this life. Since you can't, your opinion is just that; your opinion. It is also wrong. The scriptures don't say either way. Therefore, our starting premise is the beginning when we were only intelligences without a spirit body. Do you ...
by innocentoldguy
November 28th, 2022, 4:27 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Prophets Taking the Lord's Name in Vain
Replies: 79
Views: 2327

Re: Prophets Taking the Lord's Name in Vain

Interesting take. Maybe you could give some examples of how much things like workstations, DNS, TCP/IP, VPNs, Unix, printers, firewalls, switches, cables, cooling, security, etc. have fundamentally morphed into something else. Then, go ahead and illustrate how much anatomy, physiology, cardiology, ...
by innocentoldguy
November 28th, 2022, 4:13 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic
Replies: 82
Views: 2597

Re: this is getting pathetic

Thanks for your well-thought-out reply. I appreciate knowing where you're coming from. I agree that there are issues within the leadership/membership of the church; however, this is to be expected since none of us are perfect. I believe this is why Christ spent so much time teaching us to love each...
by innocentoldguy
November 28th, 2022, 4:10 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Prophets Taking the Lord's Name in Vain
Replies: 79
Views: 2327

Re: Prophets Taking the Lord's Name in Vain

The CDC says otherwise. What can you do? No intelligent person, meaning anyone with an IQ over 80, believes anything the CDC says at this point. The lies they have told us over the past few years are numerous, blatant, and dangerous. I don't disagree with you. I'm just pointing out the facts as the...
by innocentoldguy
November 28th, 2022, 3:36 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Prophets Taking the Lord's Name in Vain
Replies: 79
Views: 2327

Re: Prophets Taking the Lord's Name in Vain

There are examples of doctors not honoring their oath, sure. Typically, they get sued and often they lose their medical licenses or have them severely limited (e.g., no longer have the right to perform surgeries). This isn't a ubiquitous problem though. It's really not. It doesn't even make the top...
by innocentoldguy
November 28th, 2022, 2:48 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Sacrament meeting talks today
Replies: 77
Views: 2190

Re: Sacrament meeting talks today

The church's stance on gay marriage hasn't changed. They've always fought against it and have continued that fight until today. Unfortunately, the US and other parts of the world have chosen to ignore the Lord and embrace wickedness. The church cannot take away people's free agency, so they have to...