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by John Tavner
December 7th, 2022, 11:45 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Nephi failed the 1 Nephi 3:7 test
Replies: 99
Views: 1736

Re: Nephi failed the 1 Nephi 3:7 test

Which goes to my point - there is a law of sin and death, consequences happen - consequences which occurred because of hte fall, man was never intended to be wicked, but we choose wickedness unless we choose life. These are eternal laws only triumphed by the law of Eternal Life/ being in the Kingdo...
by John Tavner
December 6th, 2022, 9:19 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Nephi failed the 1 Nephi 3:7 test
Replies: 99
Views: 1736

Re: Nephi failed the 1 Nephi 3:7 test

Do you not believe that the world groans under the effects of sin? Can not the world itself respond to wickedness when it has been trampled upon for such an extended period of time? Don't the scriptures state teh wicked destroy the wicked? . If the earth groans from sin then it was created to do so...
by John Tavner
December 6th, 2022, 7:49 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Nephi failed the 1 Nephi 3:7 test
Replies: 99
Views: 1736

Re: Nephi failed the 1 Nephi 3:7 test

What if there is a law - the law is knows as the law of Sin and death. The consequence of that law leads to death. Thus things like the flood weren't "just slayings" it was a consequence of the wickedness of the earth - God "caused" the floods to come forth because the people di...
by John Tavner
December 6th, 2022, 7:17 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Nephi failed the 1 Nephi 3:7 test
Replies: 99
Views: 1736

Re: Nephi failed the 1 Nephi 3:7 test

What if there is a law - the law is knows as the law of Sin and death. The consequence of that law leads to death. Thus things like the flood weren't "just slayings" it was a consequence of the wickedness of the earth - God "caused" the floods to come forth because the people di...
by John Tavner
December 6th, 2022, 4:21 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Nephi failed the 1 Nephi 3:7 test
Replies: 99
Views: 1736

Re: Nephi failed the 1 Nephi 3:7 test

What if there is a law - the law is knows as the law of Sin and death. The consequence of that law leads to death. Thus things like the flood weren't "just slayings" it was a consequence of the wickedness of the earth - God "caused" the floods to come forth because the people did...
by John Tavner
December 3rd, 2022, 3:37 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: A New Servant Is Here!
Replies: 34
Views: 1260

Re: A New Servant Is Here!

Lucifer wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 2:34 pm Ok, is there a way to edit my name? It's not helping.
Reach out to Brian/the Creator or make a new username i.e. start over
by John Tavner
December 3rd, 2022, 3:36 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: A New Servant Is Here!
Replies: 34
Views: 1260

Re: A New Servant Is Here!

Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 3:26 pm Lucifer, are your initials in real life RM? And no it doesn’t stand for returned missionary….
I will answer for her, no her initials are not RM
by John Tavner
December 2nd, 2022, 8:59 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 290
Views: 7922

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

Okay, after a night of research, I think I'm pretty clear that Jon Bystrom is, at best, a sloppy writer. Looks like a personal feud has blown up into something much bigger in his mind. Doesn't make him wrong - just makes him extremely biased, and not a good source, except for claims that can be ver...
by John Tavner
December 2nd, 2022, 7:07 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 290
Views: 7922

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

So, I'm just going to ask this out loud: Jon Bystrom, are you here? How about anyone associated with Jon Bystrom? If so, PM me... I'd like to chat. I think he friended me on the FB a while back, but I don't really interact with him- he definitely does not like Oaks - I see his posts from time to ti...
by John Tavner
December 2nd, 2022, 6:35 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 290
Views: 7922

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

Follow the Prophet. He won’t lead you astray. We are hastening the work and Heavenly Father has sent us a gift vaccine . Were it not so, the First Presidency would not recommend it. All are to receive it . Again, just quoting this so you can see clearly that AGF set off a bunch of people's troll ra...
by John Tavner
December 1st, 2022, 3:43 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: The Keystone of Our Religion ..... Or Not?
Replies: 42
Views: 1293

Re: The Keystone of Our Religion ..... Or Not?

You can't take one verse and extrapolate on it without context. Read the rest of the chapter. This is about the Lord's house. They were learning Hebrew, and germanic languages and studying about the scriptures - It all has to do with knowledge of GOd and udnerstanding His Word, it isn't about knowi...
by John Tavner
December 1st, 2022, 12:48 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: The Keystone of Our Religion ..... Or Not?
Replies: 42
Views: 1293

Re: The Keystone of Our Religion ..... Or Not?

It should be noted, this knowledge is the knowledge of God- like knowing who He is and living out the knowledge of who He is, not of just memorizing or "knowing" things. D&C 109 7 And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom; yea, seek ye out of ...
by John Tavner
December 1st, 2022, 10:02 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 290
Views: 7922

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

I did not see AGF as a troll. I saw him being trolled by various members who should have backed off and let him tell his story, no matter how long it took. My one and only complaint against AGF is his continually feeding of the trolls. It was frustrating watching him reply to each attack. It remind...
by John Tavner
December 1st, 2022, 6:47 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: The Keystone of Our Religion ..... Or Not?
Replies: 42
Views: 1293

Re: The Keystone of Our Religion ..... Or Not?

It is the keystone. Except for those disavowed parts. Luckily, we have explained that we actually don't know what the curse was even though Nephi told us very clearly. It is so nice that continuing revelation means that any previous prophet, like Nephi, can be thrown under the bus whenever necessar...
by John Tavner
November 30th, 2022, 8:43 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: The Keystone of Our Religion ..... Or Not?
Replies: 42
Views: 1293

Re: The Keystone of Our Religion ..... Or Not?

We have President Snow’s vision of the lord in the hallway of the temple as proof that Snow was a good man and saw the lord That vision also tells us that our Lord could not meet him in the Holy of Holies room as an official visit. So Snow went to St. George not knowing what to tell the saints abou...
by John Tavner
November 30th, 2022, 8:42 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: The Keystone of Our Religion ..... Or Not?
Replies: 42
Views: 1293

Re: The Keystone of Our Religion ..... Or Not?

It is the keystone. Except for those disavowed parts. Luckily, we have explained that we actually don't know what the curse was even though Nephi told us very clearly. It is so nice that continuing revelation means that any previous prophet, like Nephi, can be thrown under the bus whenever necessar...
by John Tavner
November 24th, 2022, 12:33 pm
Forum: News
Topic: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith
Replies: 60
Views: 2003

Re: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith

I don’t think God has a problem with statues and portraits. Well according to God he does. I used to think this. However, it simply doesn’t stand under logic. If this were true, then all the Temples built in this dispensation were immediately desecrated by the presence of statues and portraits. I j...
by John Tavner
November 23rd, 2022, 10:55 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: 10 Things I Learned Carpooling With President Nelson
Replies: 8
Views: 551

Re: 10 Things I Learned Carpooling With President Nelson

#8 proves he is a fraud. Knowing how to receive revelation. He must think he is smarter than God. If God wants a message delivered, it WILL be delivered. Whether or not anyone wants to receive the message is irrelevant. Here's the secret code: you forgot a b and an a... also if it is two player it ...
by John Tavner
November 21st, 2022, 2:52 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Thanksgiving traditions
Replies: 3
Views: 190

Re: Thanksgiving traditions

I just put my chocolate pies in the freezer. These are not just any chocolate pies, these are the ones my great-grandmother used to make. I am the oldest child, and oldest grandchild/great-grandchild on both sides of my family. My father and mother were the oldest in their families, and married at ...
by John Tavner
November 17th, 2022, 3:51 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act
Replies: 456
Views: 16335

Re: Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act

My brother, I think the sins we should be calling out is the sin in ourselves, when I look into the mirror every morning to wash my face I am staring at the worst devil and sinner that I will ever encounter and I will spend a life time striving with him.. While I agree, allow to pose a question to ...
by John Tavner
November 17th, 2022, 1:10 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Do We Sometimes Consider Ourselves As "Righteous"?
Replies: 6
Views: 286

Re: Do We Sometimes Consider Ourselves As "Righteous"?

I think we should pay attention in particular to the part where they trust in themselves that they are righteous. I believe that is different than trusting in God and Jesus Chrsit that they have made us righteous. Can a good tree produce bitter fruit? Can a righteous tree produce wicked fruit? Whose...
by John Tavner
November 17th, 2022, 12:54 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act
Replies: 456
Views: 16335

Re: Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act

Might is dependent upon our faith. We weren't talking about degrees of faith, we are talking about past, present, and future tense. Evil has not been put down, Satan is currently at his best. "My kingdom is not of this world" "The Kingdom of God is within you" "fear not lit...
by John Tavner
November 17th, 2022, 12:27 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act
Replies: 456
Views: 16335

Re: Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act

My brother, I think the sins we should be calling out is the sin in ourselves, when I look into the mirror every morning to wash my face I am staring at the worst devil and sinner that I will ever encounter and I will spend a life time striving with him.. While I agree, allow to pose a question to ...
by John Tavner
November 17th, 2022, 11:45 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act
Replies: 456
Views: 16335

Re: Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act

Look us look to the Cross my brother, let us behold the One there hanging there in our stead, then we will understand, He was not just dieing and shedding His precious blood for us but for all our brothers and Sisters. Be thankfull He has given us undeserved mercy, yes we sinners whoms religious wo...
by John Tavner
November 17th, 2022, 10:46 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act
Replies: 456
Views: 16335

Re: Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act

It's important to understand that all these 24/7 narratives to be a pacifist, don't ever get angry, what would Jesus do...are all by design. So that the PTB can implement their NWO plans unopposed. It's OK to have righteous indignation, it's OK to get angry enough about something to get you to act....