I'll be blunt. The LoF has several errors in doctrine and I don't believe most of it is inspired writing except for Lecture 6. And while Joseph may have signed off on them I'm convinced he wrote Lecture 6 and Rigdon the preceding ones. They're basically the 1830s version of https://www.churchofjesu...

Sirius wrote: ↑February 4th, 2023, 5:01 pm He wasn't insulting you.

You can say it wasn't insulting, but he called him childish and whiney, a very cold and heartless welcome to the forum by any standard.

NO, I don't believe that is accurate. If you are atheist, not agnostic, pure atheist, then you don't believe in anything but this earth as science that has not shown another life. Life is over, there is no after life. I have never heard of an atheist believing in an afterlife. You would need to at ...

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2023, 6:47 pm That is interesting thoughts, I don’t have a witness of Paul’s work. In other words the Holy Ghost doesn’t give me a burning on my bosom to learn Paul’s teachings.

That's curious, I've always felt the same way.

We disagree for sure. Um so just to point something out, they were murdered in the same location in the room. Sidney driven off is not in anyway like an atonement ... I understand we disagree, I just wish we could understand how and where we disagree, that way we at least understand each other. Why...

Mosiah 15 1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. 2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, bein...

Have you seen the debunk on that quote yet? Saw it in a recent thread somewhere, with links. But I'm fine if Joseph said it, doesn't matter to me. Book of Mormon teaching trumps Joseph' quotes any day of the week. Let me know if you come across it again. But highly suspicious regardless right, the ...

FYI found this on the other thread June 16, 1844 part of Joseph's lecture on plural deities. Very darned clear. I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: a...

I would say he was busy and LoF was not a high priority. He and the First Presidency worked on them for months, it was definitely a high priority. If it was anything less they would have not canonized it. If they were any items needing correcting, Joseph easily could have made the changes in the 18...

Yes, they could have proofread and fine tuned the Lectures much better. Overall, it definitely could have been written better. Much of it is very dry, but I can't get on board with attributing the discrepancy to proofreading because that was the very purpose of the question. The question was, what ...

How would you reconcile this with the event on the Mount of Transfiguration, for example, when Jesus took Peter, James, and John to meet with Elijah and Moses and they heard Jesus Christ's Father speak to them? Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a ...

I won't disabuse you of your perspective of the scriptures as you understand them. Please do or please try to do so, it very healthy for us to be challenged in our ideas. That's the only way to really test how solid they are. I would have said February too, lol. It can't be the same though. You did...

I just can't reconcile the description of 'from all eternity to all eternity' and the description of being eternal and unchanging with the notion that a couple of epochs back he was just a regular dude who made some good decisions and learned a few things. And I know it's contentious that I keep us...

Did God start as we did? If not, he is an entirely different species and we can never truly become like him. If he did start like us, there was then a time when there was no God. What god? The one of the living or the one of the dead? Mark 12:27. Why do we be like the Sadducees and greatly err so m...

So, we are hanging on a word or two from LoF and don't even really know that the original words are and/or who wrote them. According to the biggest pusher of them, it is likely Rigdon wrote most of them and more so that they are not in actual text as we don't have the actual texts but reconstructio...

No, I'm not mocking you at all. I'm simply saying that those are the primary questions of what the story is talking about and I don't see how you answer them. That's why I ask. I actually have much respect for all the efforts you put into your scripture studies. When I have given some answers and y...

For example, if, as I suppose, man first had to acquire the knowledge and goodness to be a God in the first place, then at first, no overall law was ruling the universe and sin may not have existed. This is what I was getting at. At this time, all were atheists, at least from a certain point of vie...

The idea that we have always existed and our Heavenly Father has created our body for our eternal soul to acquire is far from atheism. Did God start as we did? If not, he is an entirely different species and we can never truly become like him. If he did start like us, there was then a time when the...

and to whom He prayed publicly and during His quiet moments of solitude. Are you open to another interpretation? One manifestation of his spirit was separated by the veil which hid his true self. The will of the Son simply means the will of the carnal flesh. He submitted the flesh to his spirit. Tw...

So, we are hanging on a word or two from LoF and don't even really know that the original words are and/or who wrote them. According to the biggest pusher of them, it is likely Rigdon wrote most of them and more so that they are not in actual text as we don't have the actual texts but reconstructio...

Many people still get hung up on the Lectures on Faith teaching that there are only two personages in the Godhead, but that's not what it states. Marc, it says exactly that, that there are only two personages in the Godhead, I listed the quote earlier. Here it is again: Q. How many personages are t...

It's really surprising that people are wringing figurative and metaphorical truths out of a treatise on doctrinal tenets, which I always presumed (by definition) was intended as strictly literal. I can understand someone coming to the conclusion that the Lectures on Faith wasn't true, but I'm confu...

Valo wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2023, 1:53 pm yet you are still here drawn into this conversation. Why?

Because of you, brother. I enjoy connecting with you. If you and I are not one, we are not his.

I don't see in those two sentences of mine you quoted how I am judging anyone. Duke's and RW abrasive remarks have not been my remarks. I am happy with edify being a prophet. I see him as having a pure heart, so my apologies if you thought my asking questions was judgmental. You thought that was ab...

I think we are considered gods in the sense that we are the very offspring of God. In other words gods beget gods. Which way do you see it? Did God start out as we are doing? Joseph Smith suggested that the Father may have been a Christ on his own planet. So there is a slight variation of those who...