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by Baurak Ale
September 23rd, 2022, 10:10 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 560
Views: 9129

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

consider the possibility that what you are seeing is an image of what you are projecting. When you see what you are projecting, it is reversed. At least I'm trying to explain what see. I see a lot of men who feel sorry for themselves or other men if they don't get to orgasm. But they don't seem to ...
by Baurak Ale
September 22nd, 2022, 12:49 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 560
Views: 9129

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Okay I do not want to step on the toes of the fair judge, as this is his thread and he skillfully cornered the whole discussion into FINALLY possibly getting some folks to either offer an authoritative citation OR admit that their whole view and opinion of the subject is resting upon assumptions an...
by Baurak Ale
September 22nd, 2022, 12:15 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 560
Views: 9129

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

Okay I do not want to step on the toes of the fair judge, as this is his thread and he skillfully cornered the whole discussion into FINALLY possibly getting some folks to either offer an authoritative citation OR admit that their whole view and opinion of the subject is resting upon assumptions an...
by Baurak Ale
September 22nd, 2022, 8:36 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Poll: How was the Earth made? (See notes below)
Replies: 35
Views: 520

Re: Poll: How was the Earth made? (See notes below)

I voted "Other" because my view is sort of a mix of the young earth and old earth models. Simply put: the rocky sphere of the earth is possibly 450 million years old (or whatever the number is) but the sphere was garnished with life from other worlds in six days (very likely Kolob days—so ...
by Baurak Ale
September 21st, 2022, 12:53 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?
Replies: 560
Views: 9129

Re: Women and Plural Marriage -- the Great Re-Awakening?

So, it sounds like we can all mostly agree that we’re talking here about the Drunkards of Ephraim. Obviously, the production-related discussion did not gain much traction, and I guess I’m not surprised. Contrary to Sarah’s protests to the contrary, in my experience and observation almost everyone w...
by Baurak Ale
September 19th, 2022, 9:01 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Remembering Lorin C. Woolley
Replies: 20
Views: 338

Re: Remembering Lorin C. Woolley

I just want to add my testimony here that I know these things are true. Thanks for writing this up, Luke. How do you reconcile the line in 132 about one man with the keys to this power? I won’t speak for Baurak Ale, but in Fundamentalism you can observe two different lines: 1. That the one man doct...
by Baurak Ale
September 19th, 2022, 4:34 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Remembering Lorin C. Woolley
Replies: 20
Views: 338

Re: Remembering Lorin C. Woolley

On 26 September 1886, President John Taylor was encouraged to ask the Lord whether Celestial Plural Marriage was to be continued as a practise or not, as he was under intense pressure to abandon it. That night, Lorin stood guard for President Taylor who retired to a bedroom. Lorin was very tired du...
by Baurak Ale
September 8th, 2022, 9:48 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: The Fall of Adam, Ancient Lie, and Redemption of Zion
Replies: 194
Views: 3147

Re: The Fall of Adam, Ancient Lie, and Redemption of Zion

As for Adam's transgression in partaking the fruit, what eternal irrevocable law was he transgressing against? The law that says that one must listen to God more than to the devil. That one. Let's look at what the scriptures actually say about this. This is what God said in this allegorical story o...
by Baurak Ale
September 7th, 2022, 9:16 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: The Fall of Adam, Ancient Lie, and Redemption of Zion
Replies: 194
Views: 3147

Re: The Fall of Adam, Ancient Lie, and Redemption of Zion

No, they could not have seed without the fall because blood is required to produce physical bodies: That contradicts the scriptures, and has zero support in the scriptures. I literally cited 1 Corinthians 15 for you in support of that statement. It contradicts nothing if you read it correctly inste...
by Baurak Ale
September 6th, 2022, 8:58 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: The Fall of Adam, Ancient Lie, and Redemption of Zion
Replies: 194
Views: 3147

Re: The Fall of Adam, Ancient Lie, and Redemption of Zion

1. False; they could have had no seed without blood: That contradicts the commandment that God gave them, and therefore is false. They COULD have had seed without the fall, because that is EXACTLY what God commanded them to do, and He does not give impossible commandments, or He would cease to be G...
by Baurak Ale
September 5th, 2022, 4:23 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: The Fall of Adam, Ancient Lie, and Redemption of Zion
Replies: 194
Views: 3147

Re: The Fall of Adam, Ancient Lie, and Redemption of Zion

Ok, so scripturally, we can conclude two things: 1. While in the garden of Eden before their fall, Adam and Even would have no children. 2. During the Millennium, people will multiply and wax strong. They will have children. 1. They could have, but they would not, because they were deceived. 2. Tru...
by Baurak Ale
August 31st, 2022, 3:17 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Do we really know who these men are? (Gordon B. Hinckley video)
Replies: 307
Views: 8496

Re: Do we really know who these men are? (Gordon B. Hinckley video)

I watched some of this video. Seems extremely far-fetched but I won’t blindly dismiss it. I won’t blindly believe it either though. It does seem far-fetched until you realize this is a very common practice among the rich, famous, and powerful of the world and has been for thousands of years. I pers...
by Baurak Ale
August 31st, 2022, 1:07 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Adam Next
Replies: 37
Views: 778

Re: Adam Next

You are pardoned; however, the post I sent you bears little resemblance to anything 'currently understood' regarding Kolob and Oliblish outside the recognition that they are literal worlds. And you'll also have to excuse me for seeing your response as appearing quite curt and unwelcoming for someon...
by Baurak Ale
August 31st, 2022, 10:40 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Adam Next
Replies: 37
Views: 778

Re: Adam Next

You are correct. However, though your observation of Joseph Smith's calling "Adam next" could be correct the way you've stated it, alternatively I could see the "next" meaning that Adam is the next higher high priest. This mixup actually occurs in the footnotes of the hypocephal...
by Baurak Ale
August 30th, 2022, 3:12 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Adam Next
Replies: 37
Views: 778

Re: Adam Next

I am confused about the question. It the statement that next to god (Jesus) Adam is the greatest? If so, it seems I've always been taught that. Seems we've been taught it is Father-Jesus-Adam-arch angels------------------ JS (perhaps as one of the arc angels). No, it means that Adam was the first G...
by Baurak Ale
August 30th, 2022, 3:06 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Adam Next
Replies: 37
Views: 778

Re: Adam Next

I don’t even think Adam is Michael anymore. Then why did Joseph clearly teach this? You might be comfortable dismissing Joseph's teachings, but I'm not - particularly in this instance. He actually met Michael. We don’t have proof that he taught it…. Only text that say he did. I believe Michael is M...
by Baurak Ale
August 30th, 2022, 12:49 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Adam Next
Replies: 37
Views: 778

Re: Adam Next

I am confused about the question. It the statement that next to god (Jesus) Adam is the greatest? If so, it seems I've always been taught that. Seems we've been taught it is Father-Jesus-Adam-arch angels------------------ JS (perhaps as one of the arc angels). No, it means that Adam was the first G...
by Baurak Ale
August 29th, 2022, 1:30 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Do we really know who these men are? (Gordon B. Hinckley video)
Replies: 307
Views: 8496

Re: Do we really know who these men are? (Gordon B. Hinckley video)

Just curious how many of you checked in with the Lord to find out if these individuals are baring false witness against Gordon Hinkley? I have not read the majority of the posts here, and just skipped through the video. But after i got the gist I asked the Lord if the individuals were giving a true...
by Baurak Ale
August 29th, 2022, 1:12 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Temple recommend questions change?
Replies: 18
Views: 809

Re: Temple recommend questions change?

Reluctant: what narrative? that they have the sealing power and if you accept it you can be sealed? But you have to meet some minimum requirements to attain it? You can look for evil in the questions or you can see an attempt at a measuring stick, right or wrong, that is how large corporations work...
by Baurak Ale
August 23rd, 2022, 6:35 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??
Replies: 408
Views: 6913

Re: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??

Some of you need to read this. If I'm not mistaken, a majority of the 12 were in attendance at this meeting. If they "unanimously adopted" this, they are hypocrites in the extreme. (And by "they", I mean Brigham and his conspirators) This preamble to the Relief Society was given...
by Baurak Ale
August 22nd, 2022, 9:58 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??
Replies: 408
Views: 6913

Re: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??

Still waiting for you to show us that it didn't come from Joseph and the scriptures... Waiting... Waiting... YOU MADE THE CLAIM, BACK IT UP....or I call BS!! People are going to cry because each of these evidences are not explicit as to Joseph's meaning regarding these three teachings, but an hones...
by Baurak Ale
August 22nd, 2022, 9:57 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??
Replies: 408
Views: 6913

Re: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??

For those of you following this thread, I want to illustrate how EASY it is to FALSELY ACCUSE Joseph Smith of something he didn't do. It's happening right here on this thread. With no reference, source or anything concrete at all...Atticus writes: " Brigham Young was not the originator of any ...
by Baurak Ale
August 22nd, 2022, 9:51 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??
Replies: 408
Views: 6913

Re: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??

The BOM hasn't gone out to the world because Joseph was murdered? Hmm... I guess some should tell that to the hundreds of millions of people around the world who have come in contact with the Book of Mormon and the millions who have received a witness that it is true. Reading comprehension is not y...
by Baurak Ale
August 19th, 2022, 8:29 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??
Replies: 408
Views: 6913

Re: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??

Perhaps the greatest challenge to the idea that Joseph Smith practiced plural marriage is the absence of any children known to be born to those unions. In age with limited and usually ineffective birth control it seems unlikely that Joseph Smith could’ve engage in conjugal relations with plural wiv...
by Baurak Ale
August 18th, 2022, 5:32 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??
Replies: 408
Views: 6913

Re: Ready to Take the Joseph Smith was NOT a Polygamist Challenge??

So BOM Jacob says god has changed? OT Jacob was a sinner? Why was Jospeh Smith infatuation with Nathan to the point he has a JST about the situation? You keep telling yourself that Jospeh Smith didn’t write 132 😂 132 is a 100% Brigham production. 1. 8 years AFTER Joseph died 2. NOT in Joseph's hand...