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That's so funny. I was mocked incessantly for saying the exact same thing.

Everything about what Peter Joseph says can work ONLY if people voluntarily choose it, another name for this voluntary action of society is the law of consecration .

REPLY FROM E.G.:

1. The information about the Federal Reserve is, for the most part, right on target. However, I practically fell out of my chair when the program repeated that old, silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest on debt; and, therefore, the world must forever be in debt. I knew right there that the writer did not read The Creature from Jekyll Island or, if he did, he forgot my analysis of this common myth. For those who are interested in that topic, it is fund on pages 191-192 of The Creature.

Satan is BRILLIANT. He knows how to tap into people's emotions with misinformatio and "subtle" attacks on his major enemy... Jesus Christ. There is NO way that this organization should be supported by a Saint.

The opinions of men with respect to government are changing fast in all countries. The revolutions of America and France have thrown a beam of light over the world, which reaches into man. The enormous expence of governments bas provoked people to think, by making them feel; and when once the veil begins to rend, it admits not of repair. Ignorance is of a peculiar nature: once dispelled, it is impossible to re-establish it. It is not originally a thing of itself, but is only the absence of knowledge; and though man may be kept ignorant, he cannot be made ignorant. The mind, in discovering truth, acts in the same manner as it acts through the eye in discovering objects; when once any object has been seen, it is imossible to put the mind back to the same condition it was in before it saw it. Those who talk of a counter-revolution in France, show how little they understand of man. There does not exist in the compass of language an arrangement of words to express so much as the means of effecting a counter-revolution. The means must be an obliteration of knowledge; and it has never yet been discovered how to make man unknow his knowledge, or unthink his thoughts. - Thomas Paine Rights of Man 1787 page 58

I was going to watch this and probably still will, but I am going to move it down on my list of things to watch.

My priorities are

Loose Change
Fabled Enemies
Terrorstorm
Endgame
Freedom to Fascism
Then probably Zeitgeist (just to get all the popular ones and be able to see what its about)

Thanks for the review.

Then probably Zeitgeist (just to get all the popular ones and be able to see what its about

obamohno wrote:

Then probably Zeitgeist (just to get all the popular ones and be able to see what its about

Feeling swayed by Zeitgeist's propaganda? Don't be! Just watch Zeitgeist Refuted, and you'll be back on solid ground again. So go ahead and watch Zeitgeist -- but ONLY if you commit to watch Zeitgeist Refuted thereafter.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7572663630528394775

I saw this and found it extremely fascinating. Yes, it is constructed in quite an anti-christian way. What fascinated me about it is what would it be like if they had taken all the coorelations they presented them and tied them in to support Christianity? That the time-tables they presented where the timeframes that Christ setup from the beginning? That the author of Zeitgeist errantly associated the timeframes with the wrong sources - due to the available historical records being multiple thousands of years old and in languages that don't exist anymore? In any case, I took Zeitgeist in an Apocrypha sort of way in that there is truth there, it just may be tricky to discern it. As most others have said, though, the author of Zeitgeist wrote in a very anti-christian point of view, so be wary of that.

Author:	truthseeds [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:23 am ]
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Warning: Do NOT watch Zeitgeist and especially not Zeitgeist Addendum. Spread the word. I watched the original Zeitgeist before I returned to the church, and I must admit that it made an impact on me and, sorrily, had me doubting Christianity. It mixes just enough truth with it's deceptive and creative double-speak and also mind-control techniques with new world/age venus project double-think. Then last year I saw a post about it being an infiltration film and that made me wonder about it's origins. Well, Christian Alex Jones, the pitbull, is attacking the film and the film maker, Peter Joseph was on his show yesterday, and while I don't agree with all of AJ's tactics, he is exposing this film for what it really is. The 'profit is evil' view of Peter Joseph sounds almost like the law of consecration, but it's Marxism. The films appeal to a sub conscious level emotionalism and the hypnotic music and spectacular video editing lull you into a dream state. Dangerous stuff. Zeitgeist Addendum: A Critical Review http://www.infowars.com/?p=5338 G. Edward Griffin Freedom Force International October 16, 2008 Hello Mr. Griffin. I’m sure you have heard of the popular movie on the internet, Zeitgeist. It had three separate parts about Christianity being fake, the Federal Reserve being a conspiracy and bad, and that the government was involved in 9/11. Well the sequel just came out, Zeitgeist Addendum, and it seems very dangerous. This movie screams controlled opposition/false solution propaganda more than anything I have ever seen. The movie starts off with why the Federal Reserve is bad. It seems to latch onto valid concerns that the freedom movement/Ron Paul supporters have been worried about. But its solution is really, really bad and is already sending a lot of people in the wrong direction. It goes on to say that money is evil and has caused every problem in the world. If only we abolished all money and private property everything would be great. All resources should collectively belong to all humans of the world. Intelligent management of resources and technology could allow everyone to be free. The world would turn into some utopia. All crime would go away and greed and corruption would go away. We should be a one world community. It even specifically says that voting for liberty candidates like Ron Paul is the wrong thing to do. I guess we should give up all hope and let bad politicians do whatever they want to us. It is full of doublespeak, wild assumptions, and crazy socialist propaganda. It also put in more about how religion is bad. I am convinced this thing was specifically made to stop the liberty movement from achieving anything. It puts in just enough truths that we believe in to trick people into following the wrong path. I think statements about what is wrong with this film from liberty organizations like Freedom Force International would do a lot of good and would prevent some people from going in the wrong direction. Some people might think the best idea is to just ignore it and it will go away. But it appears to be incredibly popular online and gaining support. Even the most popular Ron Paul website posted the video. And the most popular Ron Paul message board has three threads with hundreds of posts talking about it. Here is the video link. Jonathan, 2008 Oct 6 REPLY FROM E.G.: Jonathan, I don’t like to criticize anything that is helping to spread the truth about the Federal Reserve and 9/11 but I must agree with the substance of what you have said about this video. I watched it two nights ago and was deeply disturbed by its message. At first, I thought it would be best to just let it play itself out in expectation that most viewers would cross it off as whacky. However, the production value is high, the effects and sound score are compelling, and there is enough truth embedded in the beginning to capture the attention and possibly the trust of many within the freedom movement. So here are my comments on a few items of concern: 1. The information about the Federal Reserve is, for the most part, right on target. However, I practically fell out of my chair when the program repeated that old, silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest on debt; and, therefore, the world must forever be in debt. I knew right there that the writer did not read The Creature from Jekyll Island or, if he did, he forgot my analysis of this common myth. For those who are interested in that topic, it is fund on pages 191-192 of The Creature. 2. The next jolt came when the program praised Civil War Greenbacks, calling them debt-free. Actually, Greenbacks were contrary to the U.S. Constitution and, although they were not fiat money issued by the banks, they were fiat money issued by the government. That was better than paying interest on nothing to bankers, but they still wiped out the purchasing power of American money through massive inflation. They can not correctly be called debt-free, either, because they represented debt on the shoulders of the government, which means, of course, on the shoulders of the taxpayers. It never ceases to amaze me how people think that the solution to money created out of nothing by those big, bad bankers is to have money created out of nothing by those nice, trustworthy politicians. Yet, that is what this program supports. 3. There is a lengthy segment in which the author of I Was an Economic Hit Man, John Perkins, tells the story of how propagandists in the U.S. manipulated public opinion to support military action against several Latin American countries. Then Perkins says that these propagandists scared Americans by telling them that the leaders of these countries were Marxists who were aligned with the Soviets. This, of course, is a half truth that is just as dangerous as a total lie. It is true about the propagandists and their strategy to scare the public into supporting military intervention in those countries, but it is false to portray those dictators as great humanitarians who cared only for the well being of their people. That is total bunk. They WERE aligned with the Soviet Union and they WERE part of a Marxist/Leninist strategy to dominate Latin America; a strategy that continues to this day. * A d v e r t i s e m e n t * Alex Jones TV live There was plenty not to like on both sides of that struggle, but objective historians would never depict the Rhodesians (the CFR crowd in the U.S.) as bad guys but depict the Soviet puppets as good guys. In his book, Perkins reveals this same slant. He exposes the foul tactics of international corporations, the IMF, and World Bank, but he never mentions a Leftist dictator, such as Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez without praising them. Perkins is a collectivist aligned with the Left, and that strongly influences his telling of this story. Yet the producers of the video make no mention of this bias and give him an inordinate amount of time to present his slanted view without challenge. 4. Perhaps the biggest insult to our intelligence is the main theme of the program. It is that profits are the root of all our problems today. That being the case, we must change mankind to reject profit and we must work together on some other basis. It is never quite clear what that basis is, but, whatever it is, it will be administered and directed by an elite group, at least in the beginning. I was stunned by the fact that this is pure Marxism. Marx theorized that people had to be re-educated (in labor camps, if necessary) to cleanse their minds of the profit motive. He and his disciples, such as Lenin and Stalin and Khruschev, said that, eventually, the character of man would be purged of greed, and then the state would wither away because it no longer would be needed. Sure! We saw that in the Soviet Union and China, right? Yet this Marxist nonsense is exactly what is offered in this video program. It is Communism without using the name. The profit motive is neither good nor bad. It can be applied either way depending on social and political factors. The desire for profit is merely the desire to be compensated for our labor, our creativity, our knowledge, or even for our risk. Without profit, very little would be accomplished in the world - not even if everyone spent a few years in labor camps to be re-educated. It is a basic part of man’s nature and is the mainspring of human progress, as Henry Grady Weaver described it in his book by that same title. Throughout history, whenever man lived in a system that allows him to be rewarded for his work, there has been great productivity and abundance. By contrast, where social engineers gained control of the state and restricted people from receiving the fruits of their labor, productivity fell, and scarcity was the norm. The profit motive functions differently in different political systems. In a free system where government does not intervene in the market place, the profit motive always will manifest itself as competition, each person or each company trying to deliver better quality products and services at lower prices. That was how it used to be in the early days of America, and that is what led to the greatest outpouring of productivity and abundance the world has ever seen. However, in a collectivist system where government controls every conceivable aspect of economic and commercial activity (the system that now exists in America), the profit motive always manifests itself as a quest for political influence and laws to favor one group over another. The net effect is to eliminate competition in the market place. Under collectivism, success is achieved, not by creating better products and services for less cost, but by controlling legislators and government agencies. It is a system of legalized plunder, as Frederic Bastiat called it in his famous treatise, The Law. Unfortunately, it is the system that dominates most of the world today. Zeitgeist Addendum ignores this reality. At one point the narrator even says that the greatest evil in the world today is "the free enterprise system." That’s an incredible statement, especially inasmuch as the free enterprise system has been dead for several decades. It lives in name only. The whole world now is in the grips of non-competitive monopolies and cartels that have forged partnerships with governments. All of the evils to which this program alludes are the result, not of the free enterprise system, but of the abandonment of free enterprise and the adoption of collectivism. This program creates a mythological boogeyman and then advocates more of the very thing that has brought us to the mess we are in today. The enemy of mankind is not profit. It is a political system of big government. Yet, this program is supportive of some of the most notable big-government collectivist on the planet. Marxist/Leninists may be enemies of collectivists in Washington, DC, but they are collectivists in their own right. The Communist model is no better than the Nazi model. There is much more that could be said about other program topics such as technology supposedly being our salvation, about the a future world in which no one has to work, and about common ownership of land, oceans, natural resources, etc. but, for the most part, these merely are sub issues to the ones already described, so I will spare my readers the pain of further discourse. In summary, this program does NOT offer a cure. It offers a mega dose of the disease itself. Ed Griffin, 2008 Oct 9

Author:	Bircher [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:52 pm ]
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That's so funny. I was mocked incessantly for saying the exact same thing.

Author:	truthseeds [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:01 pm ]
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Bircher wrote: That's so funny. I was mocked incessantly for saying the exact same thing. You were / are ahead of the curve Bircher. This Zeitgeist is sadly becoming a big movement and splintering the Liberty movement. A lot of young people are flocking to this "Venus Project" - Peter Joseph said nearly 100,000 have signed up. The debate on the infowars comment section is very heated.

Author:	TheBrotherOfJared [ Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:20 pm ]
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Author:	TheBrotherOfJared [ Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:30 pm ]
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Author:	Bircher [ Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:34 pm ]
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TheBrotherOfJared wrote: Everything about what Peter Joseph says can work ONLY if people voluntarily choose it, another name for this voluntary action of society is the law of consecration . I don't think so. read this talk by Benson to see why http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.p ... &x=42&y=10 Also, everything said in the video is made irrelevant by his promoting of anti Christ & anti Americanist propaganda.

Author:	LittleLion [ Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:24 pm ]
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truthseeds wrote: REPLY FROM E.G.: 1. The information about the Federal Reserve is, for the most part, right on target. However, I practically fell out of my chair when the program repeated that old, silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest on debt; and, therefore, the world must forever be in debt. I knew right there that the writer did not read The Creature from Jekyll Island or, if he did, he forgot my analysis of this common myth. For those who are interested in that topic, it is fund on pages 191-192 of The Creature. Okay, Ill bite, what does it say on pages 191-192 that refutes the old silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest? This is the way I understand it also. LL I have just ordered a hard bound copy of this book so if nobody knows the answer I will in a few days.

Author:	Captain Moroni [ Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:33 am ]
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Satan is BRILLIANT. He knows how to tap into people's emotions with misinformatio and "subtle" attacks on his major enemy... Jesus Christ. There is NO way that this organization should be supported by a Saint.

Author:	LittleLion [ Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:49 pm ]
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Captain Moroni wrote: Satan is BRILLIANT. He knows how to tap into people's emotions with misinformatio and "subtle" attacks on his major enemy... Jesus Christ. There is NO way that this organization should be supported by a Saint. Well, I suppose he is brilliant yes, but what would you seem like to people that had a veil over their minds and you didn't? You would seem, well, brilliant. I agree with you, Zeitgeist is a very clever twist and mixture of truth and lies. Very good indeed.

Author:	a-train [ Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:52 pm ]
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Quote: The opinions of men with respect to government are changing fast in all countries. The revolutions of America and France have thrown a beam of light over the world, which reaches into man. The enormous expence of governments bas provoked people to think, by making them feel; and when once the veil begins to rend, it admits not of repair. Ignorance is of a peculiar nature: once dispelled, it is impossible to re-establish it. It is not originally a thing of itself, but is only the absence of knowledge; and though man may be kept ignorant, he cannot be made ignorant. The mind, in discovering truth, acts in the same manner as it acts through the eye in discovering objects; when once any object has been seen, it is imossible to put the mind back to the same condition it was in before it saw it. Those who talk of a counter-revolution in France, show how little they understand of man. There does not exist in the compass of language an arrangement of words to express so much as the means of effecting a counter-revolution. The means must be an obliteration of knowledge; and it has never yet been discovered how to make man unknow his knowledge, or unthink his thoughts. - Thomas Paine Rights of Man 1787 page 58 Could anything be as true and fresh as today's news? The so-called counter-revolution is but a puny and pitiful failure from the start. It will not last. The object of the arguments of the Zeitgeist movie and the venus project amount to world Communism. It's main message is the abolition of the Natural Right of Conscience and its method of ostracization of free thought is hypocritical in that the movie speaks against such ostracization. The movie is a collection of inconsistancies which are probably put together in an effort to achieve a monetary profit. A look at their site reveals it is as commercial as any advertising out there. They ask for donations and try to sell DVDs. At the top of the venus project's site, one can make a monetary donation using the very monetary system and banking network they promote a boycott of. -a-train

Author:	Captain Moroni [ Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:06 pm ]
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A-train, right on target. Please everyone be very wary.

Author:	obamohno [ Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:36 am ]
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I was going to watch this and probably still will, but I am going to move it down on my list of things to watch. My priorities are Loose Change Fabled Enemies Terrorstorm Endgame Freedom to Fascism Then probably Zeitgeist (just to get all the popular ones and be able to see what its about) Thanks for the review.

Author:	pjbrownie [ Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:27 pm ]
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I saw it--nothing but an update of Marxism, with a little Star Trek thrown in for good measure. Although I do like the free energy ideas.

Author:	truthseeds [ Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:43 pm ]
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obamohno wrote: I was going to watch this and probably still will, but I am going to move it down on my list of things to watch. My priorities are Loose Change Fabled Enemies Terrorstorm Endgame Freedom to Fascism Then probably Zeitgeist (just to get all the popular ones and be able to see what its about) Thanks for the review. Those are all good in my opinion. Freedom to Fascism is one of the best of the bunch. Endgame is excellent for the "big picture" view. See the bibliography here: http://www.endgamethemovie.com/biblio01.html Fabled Enemies covers 9/11 and foreign intelligence ties. See my review here: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4003&p=43465&hilit=fabled+enemies#p43465 Bridgey responded to that review with a good documentary called Wake Up Call - The New World Order...kind of a mish-mash of Zeitgeist and Endgame, Monopoly Men. Terrorstorm was one of the first I watched...it is good for overall false flag state-sponsored terror info. good luck on your quest.

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Author:	obamohno [ Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:28 pm ]
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Thanks Truthseeds, I really appreciate and enjoy reading your insight on things.

Author:	WYp8riot [ Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:23 pm ]
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Was Road to Tyranny before Terrorstorm? I believe it was and then Endgame the most recent.

Author:	momof4 [ Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:16 pm ]
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Thanks for this warning about Zeitgeist! It is incredible to me how open and unashamed Satan is now about his goals....communism openly advocated, atheism advertised on buses worldwide, the LDS temples attacked, missionaries mocked and targeted by false ads, the freedom of America being overthrown piece by piece by the Fed, before our very eyes, Congress refusing to do the will of the people on the bailout bill. I really feel this is it, the end times are upon us. I wonder how much longer the Lord will let things go before he starts sending the prophesied disasters to call the world to repentance.

Author:	ithink [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:02 am ]
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obamohno wrote: Then probably Zeitgeist (just to get all the popular ones and be able to see what its about Feeling swayed by Zeitgeist's propaganda? Don't be! Just watch Zeitgeist Refuted, and you'll be back on solid ground again. So go ahead and watch Zeitgeist -- but ONLY if you commit to watch Zeitgeist Refuted thereafter. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7572663630528394775

Author:	american_tradition [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:41 pm ]
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I will be making a cut of zeitgeist and addendum subtracting all of the anti-religious propaganda and just putting in the good stuff. My friend mentioned how this film could in a way strengthen your testimony because you know Christ was born in April. Also we understand types and shadows and how Joseph (Bible) was a type of Christ (an example of what is to come). Visit my blog for Loose Change Final Cut: Family Friendly Version. Thanks American_Tradition

Author:	FTC [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:51 am ]
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I saw this and found it extremely fascinating. Yes, it is constructed in quite an anti-christian way. What fascinated me about it is what would it be like if they had taken all the coorelations they presented them and tied them in to support Christianity? That the time-tables they presented where the timeframes that Christ setup from the beginning? That the author of Zeitgeist errantly associated the timeframes with the wrong sources - due to the available historical records being multiple thousands of years old and in languages that don't exist anymore? In any case, I took Zeitgeist in an Apocrypha sort of way in that there is truth there, it just may be tricky to discern it. As most others have said, though, the author of Zeitgeist wrote in a very anti-christian point of view, so be wary of that.

Author:	ithink [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:38 am ]
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Not everything in the Zeitgeist movie is incorrect. Much is true. If you do watch it, and I think you should, make sure you watch "Zeitgeist Refuted" afterward. Much of what the Venus Project is doing is correct too, but not all. Jacque Fresco just creeps me out.

Author:	kathyn [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:08 pm ]
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I haven't watched Zeitgeist yet. I may never watch it. If I do, though, I'll be sure to watch Zeitgeist Refuted. I am reading a very interesting book now...."The Rise of the Fourth Reich". I am looking at the world and our gov't with new eyes.

Author:	WYp8riot [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:52 pm ]
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http://www.freedom-force.org/freedomcon ... age=issues

Author:	notjamesbond003.5 [ Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:26 am ]
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ithink wrote: obamohno wrote: Then probably Zeitgeist (just to get all the popular ones and be able to see what its about Feeling swayed by Zeitgeist's propaganda? Don't be! Just watch Zeitgeist Refuted, and you'll be back on solid ground again. So go ahead and watch Zeitgeist -- but ONLY if you commit to watch Zeitgeist Refuted thereafter. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7572663630528394775 Excellent vid, except the ending-a little too much focus on "Grace Only". njb

Author:	peculiar peanut [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:41 am ]
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A year ago I introduced the movie “America: Freedom to Fascism” to a friend. She really enjoyed it and learned a lot from it. i.e.: NWO, 911, etc.. So the next time I saw her she asked if I had heard of the Zeitgeist movie. She said that if I liked “Freedom to Fascism” I would also like the Zeitgeist movie. So I got on their site and all I could see was a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I just think that it is a shame that people can get confused and see two separate things as one. Like those people who believe in Ron Paul and Karl Marx. No joke, I’ve met these people. Just some notes for fun… So this is their claim for humanity "We intend to restore the fundamental necessities and environmental awareness of the species through the avocation of the most current understandings of who and what we truly are, coupled with how science, nature and technology (rather than religion, politics and money) hold the keys to our personal growth, not only as individual human beings, but as a civilization, both structurally and spiritually.” This reminds me of how Satan tries to convince man that he does not exist. To take spirituality in one hand but exclude religion in the next, but replace it with science. “Now, putting things into perspective, it is important to understand that our world is currently run, undeniably, by a small group of dominant men in high positions of those institutions which are most dominant in society- Business and Finance” So they believe in the NWO and they want to put a stop to it. “Therefore, those who accept and support the social system's views are considered "normal", while those who disagree are considered "abnormal" or even "subversive". Whether it is the dogma of a unique social tradition, or the alignment with a worldwide establishment religion.” So they believe in Liberty, freedom of speech, choice and religion. BUT… “In fact, the only true "government" that can possibly exist is the earth and its resources. From there, all possibilities can be assessed. This is why an intellectual unification of all countries is needed,” But wait, isn’t that the agenda of the NWO? Then I guess it is ok as long as long as “Earth” is in charge. Oh, I mean those Zeitgeist who will be interpreting “Mother Earth's” intentions. . “While very spooky comments by despotic figures like Henry Kissinger claim that some kind of "reduction" is needed…… In turn, education about life operations will inform people as to the ramifications of their reproductive interests and population growth will naturally slow as people begin to realize how they are related to the planet and its carrying capacity.” Again, down with the NWO but don’t worry the Zeitgeist will educate you about life operations. I just think that it is a shame that people who are starting to wake up are being side tracked by these people. Perhaps their intentions are good, for many of them probably don’t know what they are really doing. I have met people like this. Those who see religion as doing more harm than good. They believe human beings are capable of being good only if the idea of “good and evil” is abolished. They can see evil in the world, yet Satan has them convinced that he does not exist and that there could not be any organization to his works. Instead he intertwines his work within religions so that “organized religion” becomes the enemy.

Author:	AussieOi [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:43 pm ]
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FTC wrote: I saw this and found it extremely fascinating. Yes, it is constructed in quite an anti-christian way. What fascinated me about it is what would it be like if they had taken all the coorelations they presented them and tied them in to support Christianity? That the time-tables they presented where the timeframes that Christ setup from the beginning? That the author of Zeitgeist errantly associated the timeframes with the wrong sources - due to the available historical records being multiple thousands of years old and in languages that don't exist anymore? In any case, I took Zeitgeist in an Apocrypha sort of way in that there is truth there, it just may be tricky to discern it. As most others have said, though, the author of Zeitgeist wrote in a very anti-christian point of view, so be wary of that. Good post I enjoyed the first one It made me think Rather than affirm me to athiesm it actually made me think hang on, there is such an overwhelming central point here there has to be something to it And let's be frank, most of Christianity (is ALL churches apart from our doctrine) have been established by Satan, right? So they are all false and they are a scam And the bit about "and he wants your money" well that's true We do have to pay money for our salvation, and the other churches are also about getting money, so that's true.